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Johnny,
I'm responding to your last blog about Walvrood. He is only a theologian among many. The fact is there is a physical restoration of Israel, prior to the spiritual one.
Can a nation be born in a day? It seems to me after 1900 years of exile, the nation becoming a nation again and the fact that it is causing so much hatred on the part of Muslims and others who hate Jews, include some so-called Bible-believing Christians, is a fulfillment of prophecy. The prophecy of Eze 37 has several parts to it:
1. Physical restoration
2. God's spirit being breathed into the dry bones.
3. The bones represent the whole house of Israel which was divided and scattered for many centuries.
4. Part II of the prophecy talks about the 2 sticks. The two sticks represent Judah and Ephraim, who have never as yet been reunited. The Northern Kingdom was exiled and scattered, and never corporately returned.
This is discussed in great depth in the book of Hosea, if you read it carefully. They were exiled for their idolatry. God promised to preserve Judah, because the sceptre would not depart from Judah, which of course is fulfilled in Yeshua, but Judah maintained the Torah, which was also important.
Rom. 9:3 For aI could 1wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh,
Rom. 9:4 who are Israelites, to whom belongs bthe adoption as sons, and cthe glory and the covenants and ethe giving of the Law and fthe temple service and the promises,
Rom. 9:5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is 1the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
At the end of the Chapter Paul quotes directly from Hosea, who talks about a future restoration of the House of Israel ( Ephraim/Northern Kingdom). It would be good for you to have a little understanding of this future plan of restoration.
The founding of the State of Israel is certainly a fulfillment of prophecy, which is incomplete at the moment because all of Judah has not had the Torah written on their hearts which will happen when they believe in Yeshua. What will also happen is the divided kingdom will be reunited and Yeshua will come to reign. I would also point you to the prophecies in Zechariah.
Zech. 8:23 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the 1nations will 2agrasp the 3garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”’”
Zech. 12:7 “The LORD also will asave the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of bDavid and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah.
Zech. 12:9 “And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zech. 12:10 ¶ “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, 1the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have bpierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
God may chastise Israel, who He loves, but He has promised to never forget them. Jews are not all of Israel, but God will restore the tents of Judah first, to His praise and glory!
There has been a partial hardening of Israel until the "fulness of the nations" comes in and then all Israel will be saved. The expression "fulness of the nations comes from Genesis 48:19 where it is translated "multitude of the nations".
There are some real misunderstandings about who are the physical descendants of Jacob and what is God's redemption plan. Judah is 2 1/2 houses and the other 10 tribes are the rest. God will restore all of Israel because He said in Amos that not "one grain would fall to the ground".
Thanks to several thousand years of gentile interpretation of the Scriptures, most people cannot see God's plan for all Israel. The nation Israel, in its present state, has not had God's Torah put on its heart. This happens by grace...so instead of always being hard on Israel, I would suggest that you try to do your part to provoke Israel to jealousy by obeying God's Torah and giving them a reason to look to your Messiah, as Paul suggested. He also made warnings to those who boast against the natural branches.
The prophecies of those who turn against Israel are ugly. Israel has been punished for our sins, but we were chosen by God to be a light to the nations. When He redeems us corporately, the nations will understand who is the God of Israel, who by the way is also the God of the nations, but His election of Israel is a matter of His grace.
Joyce
You are 1. misquoting scripture Joyce and are 2. allowing your emotions to mislead you.
You are wrong.
Walvoord is right.
I'm very thankful this is documented.
Johnny
Johnny,
On the contrary, Scripture is very black and white. I think perhaps your emotions might be misleading you...Walvrood is just a man...and there are other theologians that refute him.
Joyce
I might add particularly on the pre-trib rapture, much to my dismay.. would love to believe that one but it comes from a woman "visionary", a Jesuit priest and finally John Darby, but is an unfortunate misreading of Scripture that is putting many to sleep.
Shabbat shalom,
Joyce
Some people just have a problem with God's unconditional promises to Israel, but if God can forget His promises to Israel, He can forget His promises to you too!
Is 49:14-18 But Zion said, “The LORD has forsaken me,
And the Lord has forgotten me.” “Can a woman forget her nursing child
And have no compassion on the son of her womb?
Even these may forget, but aI will not forget you. “Behold, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands;
Your walls are continually before Me. “Your builders hurry;
Your destroyers and devastators
Will depart from you. “aLift up your eyes and look around;
All of them gather together, cthey come to you. As I live,” declares the LORD,
“You will surely put on all of them as jewels and bind them on as a bride.
I don't misquote Scripture, I just quote it and let the text speak for itself..
Joyce
You are not letting scripture speak for itself and indeed are misquoting scripture and allowing your emotions to mislead you. It would be to your benefit to re-review.
Johnny
Oh, on the contrary, the Scripture is very clearly speaking for itself.
Joel 3:1 ¶ “1For behold, ain those days and at that time,
When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joel 3:2 I will gather all the nations
And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat.
Then I will center into judgment with them there
On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel,
Whom they have dscattered among the nations;
And they have edivided up My land.
God is going to enter into judgement with the nations for dividing His Land and scattering His people. Seems pretty clear to me.
Joyce
Here's one more, in plain black and white, but I could flood your blog with other verses about God's promises to Israel in ALL the prophets:
Zech. 8:7 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘Behold, I am going to save My people from the land of the 1aeast and from the land of the 2west;
Zech. 8:8 and I will abring them back and they will blive in the midst of Jerusalem; and they shall be cMy people, and I will be their God in 1truth and righteousness.’
Here's another:
Amos 9:9 “For behold, I am commanding,
And I will ashake the house of Israel among all nations
As grain is shaken in a sieve,
But not a 1kernel will fall to the ground.
and here's another:
Jer. 31:31 ¶ “aBehold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a bnew covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Jer. 31:32 not like the acovenant which I made with their fathers in the day I btook them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My ccovenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.
Jer. 31:33 “But athis is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “bI will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and cI will be their God, and they shall be My people.
The prophets all seem to agree that God will bring back both houses of Israel, put His Torah on their hearts and give them the Land, just as He promised.
We can spiritualize away these verses all we want, but frankly I think it just ticks people off that God loves Jews. They forget sometimes that Yeshua Himself was born in the tribe of Judah. All of the prophets and apostles were Hebrews... with the possible exception of Luke, where there is some dispute as to his exact origins.
Jer. 31:9 “aWith weeping they will come,
And by supplication I will lead them;
I will make them walk by bstreams of waters,
On a straight path in which they will cnot stumble;
For I am a dfather to Israel,
And Ephraim is eMy firstborn.”
As the wise Rabbi Shaul once said:
Rom. 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that ait is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
and Zecharaiah understood last days prophecy:
Zech. 8:23 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the 1nations will 2agrasp the 3garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”’”
The corners of the garment are tzizits..
Imagine, God is with the Jews!! He will put Torah on their hearts...that's called grace!
Joyce
Walvoord is right on target.
Israel as a nation since 1948 IS NOT a fulfillment of Bible Prophecy.
Johnny
Joyce you are wrong.
Johnny
Since Walvrood believes in a " pre-trib rapture of the church" instead of what Yeshua said, it looks like he is mistaken on some other issues:
Yeshua said, After the tribulation of those days..
Matt. 24:29 ¶ “But immediately after the atribulation of those days bTHE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND cTHE STARS WILL FALL from 1the sky, and the powers of 1the heavens will be shaken.
Matt. 24:30 “And then athe sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see bthe SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt. 24:31 “And aHe will send forth His angels with bA GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His 1celect from dthe four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Matt. 24:32 ¶ “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near;
Matt. 24:33 so, you too, when you see all these things, 1recognize that 2He is near, right aat the 3door.
Matt. 24:34 “Truly I say to you, athis 1generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Matt. 24:35 “aHeaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
The so-called Pre-trib rapture and dispensationalist theology, which Walvrood also talks about in his book was never believed until a couple of hundred years ago when John Nelson Darby got this idea via a Jesuit priest and a woman's vision less than 200 years ago. This was never ever believed prior to this time, then Darby, Scofield, and people like Walvrood heralded this teaching. It was made popular by the "Left Behind" folks, like Timonthy LaHaye.
Yeshua in the plain sense of the text says His coming would be very public. In fact these are Yeshua's exact words:
Matt. 24:24 “For false Christs and afalse prophets will arise and will 1show great 2bsigns and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even cthe 3elect.
Matt. 24:25 “Behold, I have told you in advance.
Matt. 24:26 “So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.
Matt. 24:27 “aFor just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the bcoming of the cSon of Man be.
The problem is that people, even "so-called theolgians" don't just read the text.. Yeshua said when He would come, how He would come and what He would do when He comes. For all of those who are waiting a quick ticket out and have been led astray by this very dangerous theology, I hope they will have the faith and fortitude to persevere if they have to live through the Tribulation...
The other problem is that the Assembly/Ekklesia is not a "church" it is the same assembly that was built on the Rock, Yeshua in the desert. There is one called out assembly built on the foundation of the prophets and apostles with Yeshua as chief corner stone:
1Cor. 10:1 ¶ For aI do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea;
1Cor. 10:2 and all were abaptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Cor. 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food;
1Cor. 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was 1Christ.
Yeshua was building His ekklesia since Sinai. Now many perished but His ekklesia didn't start in the book of Acts just because certain translators decided to make the word ekklesia from the Greek Septuagint "church". .
Now, their is one ekklesia, and it is Israel, the olive tree.. The nations were always to be grafted into the olive tree...
Deut. 32:8 “aWhen the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,
When He separated the sons of 1man,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
bAccording to the number of the sons of Israel.
God loves the nations, but He also loves Israel and has never stopped dealing with Israel.. Though He scattered Israel in the nations, as the gospel goes out Israel is being gathered and "not one grain" will fall to the ground. Yeshua knows His sheep and He came for "the lost sheep of the house of Israel"..
It is through His election of Israel that salvation has been given to the nations, when you can see the picture and see that it is one called out assembly and you are not to be separated from Israel, the Bible will make a lot more sense.
The Jews are not yet a redeemed people, but one day very soon, when God puts His Torah on their hearts through the new birth, in Yeshua, it will be "life from the dead" and in fact, not just the Jews, but ALL Israel will be saved, as the apostle Paul says..
Rom. 11:25 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this secret — that ye may not be wise in your own conceits — that hardness in part to Israel hath happened till the fulness of the nations may come in;
The expressiong "fulness of the nations" is the same expression from the Hebrew to describe what became of the Northern Kingdom ( Ephraim) when they were scattered and mixed with the nations..
Gen. 48:19 But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know; he also will become a people and he also will be great. However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and ahis 1descendants shall become a 2multitude of nations.”
Ephraim, who ends up being the leader of the Northern Kingdom became literally the "melo hagoyim" or fulness of the nations, thus fulfilling the blessing of Israel. The scattering of the seed is a great mystery, but well understood by Paul and Peter who both quote from the prophet Hosea, who writes about this..
You might spend some time looking at these prophecies. I read Walvrood, studied Dispensationalism and found it flawed...Many have the same problem with it... It would be very nice to be "raptured" out of all the trouble coming on the world, sadly, it makes our faith a very light weight thing.
Yeshua said that when we have tribulation, to take heart because He has overcome the world. The American church is very soft and cushy and believes that God will never let anything happen to His children, but there are believers all over the world that have already been persecuted for their faith.
God has not destined us to wrath, but He never said we would not have Tribulation.. The testing of our faith is more precious than gold.. I hope you are not lulled into complacency by these myths..
God has one called out assembly with Jews and Greeks, all Israel, with the nations.. He said that the dividing wall was taken down in the book of Ephesians and now those who were "far off" are no longer strangers to the covenants ( plural). The covenants were not cancelled, the Mosaic covenant was renewed, made better, by the blood of Yeshua, taking away our sins once and for all. This is our hope, we are already seated with Him in the heavenlies, according to Ephesians, so we will not be raptured, but resurrected... big difference.
Joyce
One more thing...here's what Yeshua said.. Now the expression House of Israel, Ephraim, Northern Kingdom are one and the same. Sometimes God refers to All Israel and that would include Judah:
Matt. 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Yeshua sent His disciples to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.
They were lost because they had left Torah and committed spiritual harlotry, and no longer knew who they were, but as the gospel goes out to the 4 corners of the earth, the lost sheep are being gathered..
Right here Paul is quoting from Hosea.. Hosea was talking about the Northern Kingdom.
Rom. 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on vessels of kindness, that He before prepared for glory, whom also He did call — us —
Rom. 9:24 not only out of Jews, but also out of nations,
Rom. 9:25 ¶ as also in Hosea He saith, ‘I will call what [is] not My people — My people; and her not beloved — Beloved,
Rom. 9:26 and it shall be — in the place where it was said to them, Ye [are] not My people; there they shall be called sons of the living God.’
The great mystery of the gospel going out is that the sheep are mixed in the nations, unknown to themselves and the two stick prophecy will be fulfilled ( is in the process of being fulfilled) as Judah's eyes are open and as the lost sheep from the house of Israel understand who they are in Messiah, truly.
The nations are gathered in this great harvest too, but there is only one assembly. Right now this is difficult for people to see because they look at unredeemed Jews and don't understand that as Torah is put on their heart via the blood of Yeshua, they too will fulfill the other piece of the two stick prophecy.
The two witnesss of Revelations will represent Torah and Prophets, but also Judah and Ephraim ( house of Israel). If you read Zechariah carefully you will see the ( two branchs/two sticks ) are testifying before the return of Yeshua.
Well, I don't expect to convince you of this, but maybe when you see these things unfolding you will recall my words...
There's a lot of Phds in Theology, but guess what... they all disagree..Walvrood tries to explain the two-stick prophecy through the grid of Dispensationalism. I've discussed this with theologians who wrote more books than him and they have problems explaining this prophecy because they are unwilling to let go of the grid of Dispensationalism.
I highly recommend that you read a book by Daniel Gruber, called Copernicus and the Jews. He does not talk about these passages, but what he talks about are the great errors when we try to superimpose a system over the Bible instead of letting the text say what it says from the original language..
In seminary students are taught to systematize the Bible and when passages don't fit the system, they just simply ignore them..thus the analogy to Copernicus as a scientist who unlike his fellow scientists believed the earth was round.. All evidence of this was ignored in order for them to perpetuate their faulty systems.
This systematizing of theology has led to diverse theologies that we have today with "brilliant scholars" in disagreement. Strange that people can do all that study and still disagree..
This is why there are Reformed theologians, Dispensational theologians, followers of Calvin, followers of Wesley, etc, etc...
This is why instead of having one body with Yeshua as the head, there are denominations... It's a great problem which will not be resolved until the return of Yeshua. The Protestant Reformation "protested" against Catholics, but never went back to the roots of the faith and interpreted from there. . They built on "church fathers" .;
Yeshua said that He is the chief corner stone of His ekklesia with the foundation of the prophets and apostles.. He did not mention "church fathers". I suppose He could have if He wanted to, but He was quite clear.. If the foundation is faulty the whole house will be unstable and this is what we have today...
Walvrood says things that are okay too, but his definition of the ekklesia has fatal flaws and thus the foundation of the dispensational house is very unstable.
As for Israel, the Jews are a mere 15million, but the rest of Israel will be as numerous as the sands of the sea that cannot be counted or measured....People's conception of who is Israel is so limited. They think only the Jews are Israel. . Even Orthodox rabbis know better.
People don't take time to understand why Jews have been hardened and to understand what God is doing in His restoration.. He will pour out a spirit of grace and supplication on the house of David. Those of us who are already born-again should be a bit more charitable towards those who are not yet redeemed. Many still have very hard hearts, but God is doing amazing things among my people..
Sadly centuries of animosity toward the Jews have hardened many of them, so the ekklesia has not done its job of "provoking the Jews to jealousy" .
It makes me very angry when I hear people who call themselves Christians bashing Israel. It is by grace we are all saved and not by works so NONE OF US have the right to boast.. If we live the exemplary life that Yeshua has empowered us to, and instructed us to, then we might provoke one or two to jealousy and they might just ask us, why we live as we do...Israel as a secular nation, is not following the Torah, so of course there is lots to find fault with. I will not argue this.. The secular nation of Israel will be punished for it's disobedience, but that's up to God, not us. In spite of the chastisement God is in the process of and will continue to restore it. All of Jacob will go through a time of trouble, but Jacob is much more than just the Jews in Israel, and what ever happens to Israel will happen to the believers as well...
Once we provoke Jews to jealousy by our love and obedience to the God of Israel, we can tell them about the Jewish Messiah. Paul said that the gospel should go first to the Jew and then to the Greek, but I'm afraid we have made the gospel look more Greek, so that the Jews themselves cannot recognize who Messiah is.
This is a great tragedy, and God will judge us according to our works...His grace is not an excuse to sin against His people but rather to be grateful for what we have because of them, the Torah, The Prophets, the Apostolic Scriptures and Yeshua Himself, who chose to come as a Jew..
I am saddened by some of the things I see on this blog , even though at times you have some good information.. I feel like all that is good is poisoned by the influence of Michael Hoffman.
Jews are not perfect, but God's election. Ruth said, your God will be my God and your people will be my people. where you go I will go..... How much more powerful it would be to love a Jew, or to love Israel and tell them it's because of what Yeshua did in your life.
Since the time that Pharaoh put little Israelite baby boys in the Nile, then Haman tried to destroy the Jews of Persia, then King Herod tried to kill all the baby boys in Bethlehem, and the pogroms and the Shoah, etc. there has been enough hatred to go around, not to mention the Islamist hatred of Jews and Israel the people have been subjected to hatred and cruelty. Yes, we are stiff-necked bunch at times, but God loves us anyway....and you the believers from the nations are supposed to attach to this olive tree, with natural branches and Messiah as the root..
Israel has not always lived up to our mandate to be a Light to the Nations, but the nations have not obeyed God's voice either and in Messiah we are without excuse.
IN Yeshua's shalom,
Joyce
John F Walvoord is right.
Johnny
Joyce you are wrong.
Johnny
Johnny, Walvoord, Hoffman and Chamish are being used by demons don't believe anything you read from this site. Its demonic. Stay Away.
Johnny,
You're wrong, but I guess the Lord will have to show you that. Sometimes it's like that...
Joyce
Walvoord is correct.
Johnny
Joyce is in error.
Johnny
I'm shaking the dust off my high heels and leaving this cabaret with Joyce and Setterman.
Not me!
This new dynamic is most noteworthy.
I'm shaking the dust off my heels too.. Johnny only has one line, and hasn't addressed the Scriptures, so it's not much of a conversation. "Joyce is wrong" does not constitute a very theological discussion in my view of things, so... what can I say?
I've seen a streak of anti-Israel on the blog here that quite frankly scares me for Johnny.. I know there are many who will turn against Israel in the Last Days:
In the words of one of my favorite prophets:
Is. 49:6 He says, “It is too 1small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also make You a blight of the nations
So that My salvation may 3reach to the cend of the earth.”
God's covenant is with a people and includes Land:
Is. 49:8 Thus says the LORD,
“In a afavorable time I have answered You,
And in a day of salvation I have helped You;
And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, To restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages;
No one is trying to lift up Israel, and say they are a perfect people. My people have sinned and have exiled as God promised we would...but when He restores us to our inheritance fully, the nations will know who is the God of Israel.
sa. 94:7 aThey have said, “1The LORD does not see,
Nor does the God of Jacob pay heed.”
Psa. 94:8 ¶ Pay heed, you asenseless among the people;
And when will you understand, astupid ones?
Psa. 94:9 He who aplanted the ear, 1does He not hear?
He who formed the eye, 1does He not see?
Psa. 94:10 He who 1achastens the nations, will He not rebuke,
Even He who bteaches man knowledge?
Psa. 94:11 The LORD aknows the thoughts of man,
1That they are a mere breath.
Psa. 94:12 ¶ Blessed is the man whom aYou chasten, O 1LORD,
And bwhom You teach out of Your law;
Psa. 94:13 That You may grant him arelief from the bdays of adversity,
Until ca pit is dug for the wicked.
Psa. 94:14 For athe LORD will not abandon His people,
Nor will He bforsake His inheritance.
God will not abandon Israel. He may chasten Israel, but He is bringing Israel back, and beginnings of this started in 1948. There are more Jews coming to know Yeshua in any time in history since the 1st Century. Prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes. When all of Israel is in the Land, there will not be space. This prophecy is very clear, but folks we've only just begun, in the words of a famous pop singer:
Zech. 10:6-10 “I will strengthen the house of Judah,
And I will save the house of Joseph,
And I will bring them back,
Because I have had compassion on them;
And they will be as though I had enot rejected them,
For I am the LORD their God and I will answer them. “Ephraim will be like a mighty man,
And their heart will be glad as if from wine;
Indeed, their achildren will see it and be glad,
1Their heart will rejoice in the LORD. “I will whistle for them to gather them together, For I have redeemed them;
And they will be as bnumerous as they 1cwere before. “When I 1scatter them among the peoples, They will aremember Me in far countries,
And they with their children will live and come back. “I will bring them back from the land of Egypt
And gather them from Assyria;
And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon
Until cno room can be found for them.
He's not bringing us because we are so good, but because He is so faithful. The Word of God will be accomplished!!!!
In spite of the fact that there is sin among the Jews and there are those who are involved in the occult, Kabbalah, freemasonry, etc, etc, God is beginning to put Torah on the hearts of a remnant of His people. For those of us who see this and are part of this, it is an exciting time.
For those of us, like myself, who lost family in the Shoah, like 9/11 in someways, this was a spiritual turning point in history. There were many secular who wanted to establish the nation of Israel as a secular state, but God in His wisdom will use all of the events of history, even those done for the wrong motives to bring about His glory.
The desert has bloomed, there is much that has begun to be fulfilled, but of course Israel, has not corporately turned to Her God and Messiah yet. This has begun to happen, and there are those from the nations who are being saved who are probably from scattered tribes. When the followers of Yeshua were to take the gospel to the "four corners of the earth" God knew that His people were also scattered in the four corners of the earth and would be brought in as part of the harvest.
In the millennium He will restore Israel's land inheritance to the boundaries He promised by tribe.. We are not there yet. God begins giving Ezekiel a vision of the Millennial kingdom and Temple in Chapter 40.
The dry bones prophecy is about bringing the Whole House of Israel together. The whole body... Restoration is already beginning to take place, but we have a ways to go..
The graves of Hitler, with the images of bones is not accidental. In 1948 when Israel became a nation again, the body came together physically, but spiritually the restoration had not yet begun.. As Jews come to know the Messiah and Israelites from the 10 tribes are burdened for the roots of their faith and are being drawn to attach to the Olive Tree...we are seeing the very, very early beginnings of life from the dead.. The true resurrection will take place after the Tribulation, at the sound of the last trumpet, the feast of Yom T'ruah when Yeshua gathers the elect from the 4 corners of the earth and then steps down on Mt. of Olives to split Jerusalem in two and come to reign for 1000 years. By this time, the two witnesses representing the Two Houses, and also representing Torah and Prophets, will have testified, will have been killed and raised from the dead, there will have already been 144,0000, 12,000 from each tribe sealed, so restoration will take place prior to the return of Yeshua. Remember right now we don't know who the tribes all are or where they all are. . They were scattered to the 4 corners of the earth, as seed to be harvested and brought in, in the great harvest.
Yom Kippur will be a day of national repentance and , Sukkot will be the wedding feast of the Lamb.
( Zech 14). When Yeshua will come back to tabernacle among us.
For those who want to stick with the pre-Trib rapture nonsense, remember it was first from a woman's vision, then a Jesuit priest. It has only existed since 1830, and most believe it was some kind of ploy to undo the Reformation. That I will not say, because that is speculation, but what I will say is that it has put many believers to sleep who think they are getting raptured.
The other group of believers in serious trouble are those that will fight against God by opposing Israel. . We see this trend clearly happening today. These are all the signs of apostasy.
I'm not saying this for Johnny's sake, but for the others that are still following this post..
For those of us who see, let us rejoice and be encouraged that God is faithful to keep His promises, not only to the physical descendants of Jacob, but to all who trust Him, and take Him at His Word.
If Johnny, doesn't want to believe these promises, he will not be able to see their fulfillment and find some other way of explaining the miraculous events that were spoken from the prophets centuries and centuries ago. This is not new...when Yeshua was born, there were people who didn't believe the prophets either.. There is nothing new under the sun..
For those of you reading here, maybe only one or two, I hope you keep your eyes on these prophecies and rejoice because God is faithful to accomplish all that He purposed.
Shalom,
Joyce
John F Walvoord solidifies and Nails To The Cross Truth in regards to The Division Of The Dry Bones: Restorartion Of Israel Ezekiel 37:1-14 pg 185-186, Every Prophecy Of The Bible.
CONCLUSION:
ISRAEL AS A NATION SINCE 1948 IS NOT A FULFILLMENT OF BIBLE PROPHECY.
Joyce misquotes and diverts scripture away from Walvoords analysis.
Joyce has failed to dis-substantiate Walvoords position with wayward emotionalism and elusive pragmatic conclusions.
Joyce is without a shadow of a doubt 101% Dead Bang Absolutely Wrong.
EZEKIEL 37:1-14
HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET.
ISRAEL AS A NATION SINCE 1948 IS NOT A FULFILLMENT OF BIBLE PROPHECY.
Re-read again what God says to Ezekiel. Its very plain. Its very simple. Walvoord walks you through exactly what God says.
Its a hope for the future. But NOT, at this very moment, fulfilled.
Walvoord is Right
Joyce is deceptively mistaken.
Johnny
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